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| + | == Review by Vipul on 2023-10-29 == | ||
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| + | Version reviewed: https://timelines.issarice.com/index.php?title=Timeline_of_utilitarianism&oldid=76677 (this includes a few minor fixes by Vipul on top of the version https://timelines.issarice.com/index.php?title=Timeline_of_utilitarianism&oldid=76661 that Sebastian submitted) | ||
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| + | Process used: [[Review process for timelines]] | ||
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| + | === General standalone evaluation comments === | ||
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| + | Overall, this looks great! A couple of minor things: | ||
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| + | * The Scope column in the full timeline uses both "Sentient being" and "All sentient beings" that probably mean the same thing? Thoughts on consolidating into a single name?✔ | ||
| + | * Historically (e.g., [[timeline of AI safety#Inclusion criteria]]), I've included Inclusion criteria at the top within the Full timeline section, as the inclusion criteria are specific to the full timeline rather than the other sections such as Big picture. I see you included inclusion criteria as a separate section. My preference would be that you do it the way I've been doing it, but if you have thoughts on the reasons for having it as a standalone section, I'd love to discuss.✔ | ||
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| + | === Followup regarding previous notes === | ||
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| + | I see that many of the items in [[#Further notes added by Vipul 2023-06-20]] do not have an explicit response from you. Have you considered/addressed/decided-not-to-address those points? Can you put explicit responses (checks or crosses) based on your decision?✔ | ||
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== Review by Vipul on 2023-06-11 == | == Review by Vipul on 2023-06-11 == | ||
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=== General standalone evaluation comments === | === General standalone evaluation comments === | ||
| − | * It would help to have additional columns on the type of utilitarianism. I think three columns could help: rule vs act, type of utility (e.g., hedonic vs negative vs preference), meta-ethics (e.g., Christianity / divine command theory) and scope (e.g., people vs. all sentient beings, total vs. average, present vs. future). | + | * It would help to have additional columns on the type of utilitarianism. I think three columns could help: rule vs act, type of utility (e.g., hedonic vs negative vs preference), meta-ethics (e.g., Christianity / divine command theory) and scope (e.g., people vs. all sentient beings, total vs. average, present vs. future).✔ |
| − | * The timeline needs to have [[inclusion criteria for full timeline in timelines|inclusion criteria specified]]. | + | * The timeline needs to have [[inclusion criteria for full timeline in timelines|inclusion criteria specified]].✔ |
| − | * It would help to give a bit more context/color on the prevailing moral philosophy at the time that utilitarian ideas started to take shape. Specifically, the Enlightenment-era utilitarianism arose against a backdrop where moral philosophy in the region was heavily rooted in (Christian) {{w|divine command theory}} and moving away from it gradually. So the initial utilitarians had a heavy Christian bent but over time utilitarian ideas became less religiously inclined and more based on secular moral reasoning. Similarly Mohism arose in an era where Confucianism had just started taking root so it built on and also challenged some of the ideas in Confucianism. | + | * It would help to give a bit more context/color on the prevailing moral philosophy at the time that utilitarian ideas started to take shape. Specifically, the Enlightenment-era utilitarianism arose against a backdrop where moral philosophy in the region was heavily rooted in (Christian) {{w|divine command theory}} and moving away from it gradually. So the initial utilitarians had a heavy Christian bent but over time utilitarian ideas became less religiously inclined and more based on secular moral reasoning. Similarly Mohism arose in an era where Confucianism had just started taking root so it built on and also challenged some of the ideas in Confucianism.✔ |
| − | * It may be worth including more about the relationship between utilitarianism and {{w|cost-benefit analysis}}, which is not quite the same thing but is based on utilitarian ideas. Cost-benefit analyses are ubiquitous in decision-making in governments, corporation, non-profits, and elsewhere, and shows the influence of utilitarian thinking. | + | * It may be worth including more about the relationship between utilitarianism and {{w|cost-benefit analysis}}, which is not quite the same thing but is based on utilitarian ideas. Cost-benefit analyses are ubiquitous in decision-making in governments, corporation, non-profits, and elsewhere, and shows the influence of utilitarian thinking.✔/✘ |
=== Line-by-line comments === | === Line-by-line comments === | ||
| − | * The hash fragment in the link for the first reference in the Epicurus row doesn't seem to work, so it's not clear where on the page or where in the video the reference points to. | + | * The hash fragment in the link for the first reference in the Epicurus row doesn't seem to work, so it's not clear where on the page or where in the video the reference points to.✔ |
| − | * Language in Mozi row: "he would held a utilitarian status describing heaven as primary moral authority" -- the word "held" seems to be the wrong word. | + | * Language in Mozi row: "he would held a utilitarian status describing heaven as primary moral authority" -- the word "held" seems to be the wrong word.✔ |
| − | * Duplicate reference: First and third reference for row about Mozi's birth point to the same resource. | + | * Duplicate reference: First and third reference for row about Mozi's birth point to the same resource.✔ |
| − | * New World Encyclopedia as reference: Seems like a fork of Wikipedia, probably not suitable as a reference. | + | * New World Encyclopedia as reference: Seems like a fork of Wikipedia, probably not suitable as a reference.✔ |
| − | * 1725 Francis Hutcheson row: is the quote intended for the whole para, or just the first sentence in it? | + | * 1725 Francis Hutcheson row: is the quote intended for the whole para, or just the first sentence in it?✔ |
| − | * 1749 David Hartley row: "Hartley openly introduces Newton's method and terminology into psychology." Newton's method links to the root-finding method in calculus; the other Newton's method is the closely related optimization method. It's unclear what Newton's method would be in the context of psychology. | + | * 1749 David Hartley row: "Hartley openly introduces Newton's method and terminology into psychology." Newton's method links to the root-finding method in calculus; the other Newton's method is the closely related optimization method. It's unclear what Newton's method would be in the context of psychology.✔ |
| − | * 1976 Motive utilitarianism row: "Utilitarian and Personality 197" -- it isn't clear what "197" here means. | + | * 1976 Motive utilitarianism row: "Utilitarian and Personality 197" -- it isn't clear what "197" here means.✔ |
| − | * 1981 two rows for R. M. Hare seem to be talking about the same book and concept? | + | * 1981 two rows for R. M. Hare seem to be talking about the same book and concept?✔ |
| − | * 1992 row about Mo-Tzu: Mo-Tzu seems like another name for Mozi? Make this clear if | + | * 1992 row about Mo-Tzu: Mo-Tzu seems like another name for Mozi? Make this clear if so✔ |
| − | * 2015 row about Peter Singer: "Peter Singer publishes The Most Good You Can Do, which introduces the concept of effective altruism." Effective altruism existed before this time; see [[timeline of effective altruism]]. | + | * 2015 row about Peter Singer: "Peter Singer publishes The Most Good You Can Do, which introduces the concept of effective altruism." Effective altruism existed before this time; see [[timeline of effective altruism]].✔ |
===External verification=== | ===External verification=== | ||
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This timeline covered the content in the timeline that ChatGPT wrote upon being prompted to write a timeline of utilitarianism. It is clearly superior to that timeline. | This timeline covered the content in the timeline that ChatGPT wrote upon being prompted to write a timeline of utilitarianism. It is clearly superior to that timeline. | ||
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| + | === Further notes added by Vipul 2023-06-20 === | ||
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| + | Here are a few further suggestions: | ||
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| + | * Describe the idea of {{w|utility monster}} introduced by Robert Nozick, and its implications for utilitarianism✔ (at 1974 row) | ||
| + | * Maybe expand more on the relationship between utilitarianism and effective altruism✔ | ||
| + | * Maybe more on the distinction between utilitarianism and consequentialism?✔ (at 1958 row) | ||
| + | * Any surveys of philosophers regarding their personal view on utilitarianism? ✘ (so far I couldn't find this) | ||
| + | * Talk about criticisms of utilitarianism as cold and calculating, and any research into the moral and emotional profiles of self-identified utilitarians that supports/opposes that belief?✔/✘ (at 2022 row) | ||
Latest revision as of 13:35, 31 October 2023
Review by Vipul on 2023-10-29
Version reviewed: https://timelines.issarice.com/index.php?title=Timeline_of_utilitarianism&oldid=76677 (this includes a few minor fixes by Vipul on top of the version https://timelines.issarice.com/index.php?title=Timeline_of_utilitarianism&oldid=76661 that Sebastian submitted)
Process used: Review process for timelines
General standalone evaluation comments
Overall, this looks great! A couple of minor things:
- The Scope column in the full timeline uses both "Sentient being" and "All sentient beings" that probably mean the same thing? Thoughts on consolidating into a single name?✔
- Historically (e.g., timeline of AI safety#Inclusion criteria), I've included Inclusion criteria at the top within the Full timeline section, as the inclusion criteria are specific to the full timeline rather than the other sections such as Big picture. I see you included inclusion criteria as a separate section. My preference would be that you do it the way I've been doing it, but if you have thoughts on the reasons for having it as a standalone section, I'd love to discuss.✔
Followup regarding previous notes
I see that many of the items in #Further notes added by Vipul 2023-06-20 do not have an explicit response from you. Have you considered/addressed/decided-not-to-address those points? Can you put explicit responses (checks or crosses) based on your decision?✔
Review by Vipul on 2023-06-11
Version reviewed: https://timelines.issarice.com/index.php?title=Timeline_of_utilitarianism&oldid=74385
Process used: Review process for timelines
General standalone evaluation comments
- It would help to have additional columns on the type of utilitarianism. I think three columns could help: rule vs act, type of utility (e.g., hedonic vs negative vs preference), meta-ethics (e.g., Christianity / divine command theory) and scope (e.g., people vs. all sentient beings, total vs. average, present vs. future).✔
- The timeline needs to have inclusion criteria specified.✔
- It would help to give a bit more context/color on the prevailing moral philosophy at the time that utilitarian ideas started to take shape. Specifically, the Enlightenment-era utilitarianism arose against a backdrop where moral philosophy in the region was heavily rooted in (Christian) divine command theory and moving away from it gradually. So the initial utilitarians had a heavy Christian bent but over time utilitarian ideas became less religiously inclined and more based on secular moral reasoning. Similarly Mohism arose in an era where Confucianism had just started taking root so it built on and also challenged some of the ideas in Confucianism.✔
- It may be worth including more about the relationship between utilitarianism and cost-benefit analysis, which is not quite the same thing but is based on utilitarian ideas. Cost-benefit analyses are ubiquitous in decision-making in governments, corporation, non-profits, and elsewhere, and shows the influence of utilitarian thinking.✔/✘
Line-by-line comments
- The hash fragment in the link for the first reference in the Epicurus row doesn't seem to work, so it's not clear where on the page or where in the video the reference points to.✔
- Language in Mozi row: "he would held a utilitarian status describing heaven as primary moral authority" -- the word "held" seems to be the wrong word.✔
- Duplicate reference: First and third reference for row about Mozi's birth point to the same resource.✔
- New World Encyclopedia as reference: Seems like a fork of Wikipedia, probably not suitable as a reference.✔
- 1725 Francis Hutcheson row: is the quote intended for the whole para, or just the first sentence in it?✔
- 1749 David Hartley row: "Hartley openly introduces Newton's method and terminology into psychology." Newton's method links to the root-finding method in calculus; the other Newton's method is the closely related optimization method. It's unclear what Newton's method would be in the context of psychology.✔
- 1976 Motive utilitarianism row: "Utilitarian and Personality 197" -- it isn't clear what "197" here means.✔
- 1981 two rows for R. M. Hare seem to be talking about the same book and concept?✔
- 1992 row about Mo-Tzu: Mo-Tzu seems like another name for Mozi? Make this clear if so✔
- 2015 row about Peter Singer: "Peter Singer publishes The Most Good You Can Do, which introduces the concept of effective altruism." Effective altruism existed before this time; see timeline of effective altruism.✔
External verification
Wikipedia
Vipul reviewed the Wikipedia page utilitarianism. Overall, the timeline seemed to offer good coverage of most of the content of the Wikipedia page, while clearly adding value through its chronological account of the development of the subject.
ChatGPT
This timeline covered the content in the timeline that ChatGPT wrote upon being prompted to write a timeline of utilitarianism. It is clearly superior to that timeline.
Further notes added by Vipul 2023-06-20
Here are a few further suggestions:
- Describe the idea of utility monster introduced by Robert Nozick, and its implications for utilitarianism✔ (at 1974 row)
- Maybe expand more on the relationship between utilitarianism and effective altruism✔
- Maybe more on the distinction between utilitarianism and consequentialism?✔ (at 1958 row)
- Any surveys of philosophers regarding their personal view on utilitarianism? ✘ (so far I couldn't find this)
- Talk about criticisms of utilitarianism as cold and calculating, and any research into the moral and emotional profiles of self-identified utilitarians that supports/opposes that belief?✔/✘ (at 2022 row)
