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== Review by Vipul on 2024-11-03 ==
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=== Standalone evaluation ===
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==== General comments ====
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* I'd like to see a little more coverage of events in the 19th century (or previous centuries) prior to Fabianism, particularly key milestones around socialism and communism as well as other intellectual precursors to Fabianism:
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** Marxism
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** Revolutionary socialism (French Revolution??)
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** Renaissance and Age of Enlightenment that set the backdrop for socialism / capitalism debates
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* I think a column for country/region could be helpful for sorting out. Most of the rows will be Britain, but some will be other countries and some will be more specific areas (such as London)
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* For Nehru, there is a row about his role in implementing Fabian policies in India, but none about his original exposure to Fabian ideas and his joining the Fabian Society. For some others, it's the other way around. I think in all cases of international influence, where possible, we should include a row for the original exposure and a row for when it affected the other country's policies.
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* It would also be good to have rows on how Fabianism declined in influence, or at least as a recognizable brand, both within the United Kingdom and internationally. The timeline currently reads a bit triumphalist, suggesting that Fabianism has gone from strength to strength, but my crude guess is that Fabianism declined or at least faded into the background in the mid-to-late 20th century (maybe it had a bit of a revival more recently?). For instance, the rise of Thatcherism in the late 20th century probably means Fabianism declined in influence? Also, in India, the liberalization efforts that started in the 1980s and picked up in the 1990s were indicative of India moving away from Fabian ideals?
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* Is there any commentary we can make about how Fabianism and the Fabian Society have adapted to the Internet and the World Wide Web? The original social networks were highly in-person, as the initial portion of your timeline vividly demonstrates. I wonder how Fabianism has adapted to the Internet and whether it has spawned active online communities, or whether it's still mostly offline.
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* Also, please consider updating the big picture as well to reflect and summarize the changes you make through the timeline.
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==== Line-by-line comments ====
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* 1883 Laveleye: Fabian Society doesn’t exist yet, but the row suggests that Laveleye is reacting to it. Can you clarify?
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* Rows for George Bernard Shaw and Bernard Shaw joining -- duplicates? Also confusing that there’s another George in the picture (Henry George) also mentioned in the latter row as just George.
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* Present tense instead of past tense: "was evident with the introduction of the Education Act 1902." should be "is" instead of "was"
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* Present tense instead of past tense: "Clement Attlee, a future prime minister, received his first ministerial post at this time." should be "receives" instead of "received"
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* "141 members of the Fabian Society are elected to Parliament." It will be good to provide context by giving the total number of elected members to give a sense of what the 141 should be compared with.
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=== External verification ===
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==== Wikipedia ====
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{{w|Fabian Society}}
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* The Wikipedia page talks of Renaissance ideas. The term "Renaissance" is not mentioned in the timeline. Thoughts?
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* Fabian societies formed in Canada and New Zealand? As you mention in the inclusion criteria, comprehensive details are not expected, but it would be good to at least mention the founding.
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* Bismarckian versus Gladstonian? You don't use either term, though I think you do allude to stuff in the orbit of that.
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* Other international influences? From the Wikipedia page: ther international influences? """In the Middle East, the theories of Fabian Society intellectual movement of early 20th-century Britain inspired the Ba’athist vision. The Middle East adaptation of Fabian socialism led the state to control big industry, transport, banks, internal and external trade. The state would direct the course of economic development, with the ultimate aim to provide a guaranteed minimum standard of living for all.[28] Michel Aflaq, widely considered as the founder of the Ba’athist movement, was a Fabian socialist. Aflaq’s ideas, with those of Salah al-Din al-Bitar and Zaki al-Arsuzi, came to fruition in the Arab world in the form of dictatorial regimes in Iraq and Syria.[29] Salāmah Mūsā of Egypt, another prominent champion of Arab Socialism, was a keen adherent of Fabian Society, and a member since 1909.[30]
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In October 1940, the Fabian Society established the Fabian Colonial Bureau to facilitate research and debate British colonial policy.[31] The Fabian Colonial Bureau strongly influenced the colonial policies of the Attlee government (1945–51).[32] Rita Hinden founded the colonial bureau and was its secretary.[32]"""
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==== ChatGPT ====
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I asked ChatGPT for a timeline of Fabianism and confirmed that it was mostly a subset of the timeline you wrote.
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== Partial review by Vipul on 2024-10-05 ==
 
== Partial review by Vipul on 2024-10-05 ==
  
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I would like to see more coverage of the content from {{w|Fabian Society#Second generation}}, specifically how Fabian ideals influenced the economic and social policies of other countries, particularly former British colonies. The most salient example (that I was already aware of from before) is India (under Jawaharlal Nehru), but there are other examples mentioned in the Wikipedia page, including Nigeria.
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I would like to see more coverage of the content from {{w|Fabian Society#Second generation}}, specifically how Fabian ideals influenced the economic and social policies of other countries, particularly former British colonies. The most salient example (that I was already aware of from before) is India (under Jawaharlal Nehru), but there are other examples mentioned in the Wikipedia page, including Nigeria.✔
  
 
==Extended timeline==
 
==Extended timeline==

Latest revision as of 11:29, 3 November 2024

Review by Vipul on 2024-11-03

Standalone evaluation

General comments

  • I'd like to see a little more coverage of events in the 19th century (or previous centuries) prior to Fabianism, particularly key milestones around socialism and communism as well as other intellectual precursors to Fabianism:
    • Marxism
    • Revolutionary socialism (French Revolution??)
    • Renaissance and Age of Enlightenment that set the backdrop for socialism / capitalism debates
  • I think a column for country/region could be helpful for sorting out. Most of the rows will be Britain, but some will be other countries and some will be more specific areas (such as London)
  • For Nehru, there is a row about his role in implementing Fabian policies in India, but none about his original exposure to Fabian ideas and his joining the Fabian Society. For some others, it's the other way around. I think in all cases of international influence, where possible, we should include a row for the original exposure and a row for when it affected the other country's policies.
  • It would also be good to have rows on how Fabianism declined in influence, or at least as a recognizable brand, both within the United Kingdom and internationally. The timeline currently reads a bit triumphalist, suggesting that Fabianism has gone from strength to strength, but my crude guess is that Fabianism declined or at least faded into the background in the mid-to-late 20th century (maybe it had a bit of a revival more recently?). For instance, the rise of Thatcherism in the late 20th century probably means Fabianism declined in influence? Also, in India, the liberalization efforts that started in the 1980s and picked up in the 1990s were indicative of India moving away from Fabian ideals?
  • Is there any commentary we can make about how Fabianism and the Fabian Society have adapted to the Internet and the World Wide Web? The original social networks were highly in-person, as the initial portion of your timeline vividly demonstrates. I wonder how Fabianism has adapted to the Internet and whether it has spawned active online communities, or whether it's still mostly offline.
  • Also, please consider updating the big picture as well to reflect and summarize the changes you make through the timeline.

Line-by-line comments

  • 1883 Laveleye: Fabian Society doesn’t exist yet, but the row suggests that Laveleye is reacting to it. Can you clarify?
  • Rows for George Bernard Shaw and Bernard Shaw joining -- duplicates? Also confusing that there’s another George in the picture (Henry George) also mentioned in the latter row as just George.
  • Present tense instead of past tense: "was evident with the introduction of the Education Act 1902." should be "is" instead of "was"
  • Present tense instead of past tense: "Clement Attlee, a future prime minister, received his first ministerial post at this time." should be "receives" instead of "received"
  • "141 members of the Fabian Society are elected to Parliament." It will be good to provide context by giving the total number of elected members to give a sense of what the 141 should be compared with.

External verification

Wikipedia

Fabian Society

  • The Wikipedia page talks of Renaissance ideas. The term "Renaissance" is not mentioned in the timeline. Thoughts?
  • Fabian societies formed in Canada and New Zealand? As you mention in the inclusion criteria, comprehensive details are not expected, but it would be good to at least mention the founding.
  • Bismarckian versus Gladstonian? You don't use either term, though I think you do allude to stuff in the orbit of that.
  • Other international influences? From the Wikipedia page: ther international influences? """In the Middle East, the theories of Fabian Society intellectual movement of early 20th-century Britain inspired the Ba’athist vision. The Middle East adaptation of Fabian socialism led the state to control big industry, transport, banks, internal and external trade. The state would direct the course of economic development, with the ultimate aim to provide a guaranteed minimum standard of living for all.[28] Michel Aflaq, widely considered as the founder of the Ba’athist movement, was a Fabian socialist. Aflaq’s ideas, with those of Salah al-Din al-Bitar and Zaki al-Arsuzi, came to fruition in the Arab world in the form of dictatorial regimes in Iraq and Syria.[29] Salāmah Mūsā of Egypt, another prominent champion of Arab Socialism, was a keen adherent of Fabian Society, and a member since 1909.[30]

In October 1940, the Fabian Society established the Fabian Colonial Bureau to facilitate research and debate British colonial policy.[31] The Fabian Colonial Bureau strongly influenced the colonial policies of the Attlee government (1945–51).[32] Rita Hinden founded the colonial bureau and was its secretary.[32]"""

ChatGPT

I asked ChatGPT for a timeline of Fabianism and confirmed that it was mostly a subset of the timeline you wrote.

Partial review by Vipul on 2024-10-05

I would like to see more coverage of the content from Fabian Society#Second generation, specifically how Fabian ideals influenced the economic and social policies of other countries, particularly former British colonies. The most salient example (that I was already aware of from before) is India (under Jawaharlal Nehru), but there are other examples mentioned in the Wikipedia page, including Nigeria.✔

Extended timeline

Year Event type Details
1884 (March 7) Pamphlet committee nominated.[1]
1884 (March 21) Reappointment of the Executive.[1]
1885 (April 17) Decision to send a delegate to examine South Yorkshire Miners.[1]
1885 (August) Founding of 'Justice,' the organ of the Democratic Federation.[1]
1886 (March) Executive Committee increased to seven members.[1]
1886 (July 2) William Morris lectures on 'The Aims of Art.'[1]
1886 (July 17) Ernest Belfort Bax lectures are conducted.[1]
1886 (December 18) Notable meeting The Fabian Society holds a notable public meeting, which is addressed by Annie Besant, a prominent social reformer, and advocate for workers' rights.[1]
1888 (March 16) Mr. R.B. Haldane, M.P., addresses the Society on Radical Remedies for Economic Evils. This meeting is vividly described in the 'Radical' publication.[1]
1889 (August 14th - September 14th) The London Dockers' Strike takes place, with Fabian members individually supporting the strike. The Society, as a whole, doesn't take an official stance.[1]
1890 (November) Annie Besant severs her connection with the Society, influenced by her conversion to Theosophy, marking the end of her contributions to the Socialist movement.[1]
1891 The Fabian Society changes its premises to 276 Strand.[1]
1891–1913 Edward R. Pease serves as General Secretary of the Fabian Society.
1892 Collaborative initiative Sidney and Beatrice Webb establish a personal and intellectual partnership, united by their shared commitment to socialist ideals and their belief in the transformative potential of social reform. Together, they embark on a collaborative journey that shapes British social policy and political thought for decades to come.[2]
1893 (March) Sir Henry (then Mr.) Henry Campbell-Bannerman pledges the government to be the best employer of labor. George Bernard Shaw and Sidney Webb decide to attack old-fashioned Liberalism. 'To Your Tents, O Israel' appears in November, advocating administrative reform in various government departments.[1]
1895 The Fabian Society secures substantial financial support from Henry Hunt Hutchison, a Derby solicitor, enabling the successful development of the London School of Economics and Political Science (LSE). Rapid expansion follows with additional private grants and donations, establishing the London School of Economics as a crucial hub for the influence and dissemination of Fabian socialist principles.[3][4]
1902 The Fabian Society criticizes the Conservative Government's policy on housing.[1]
1905 Conference A conference on Housing is organized by the Fabian Society.[1]
1908 The Fabian Society moves to 25 Tothill Street, Westminster.[1]
1913–1920 Leadership British Labour Party politician William Sanders serves as General Secretary of the Fabian Society.
1915–1919 Leadership Edward R. Pease serves as Acting General Secretary of the Fabian Society.
1920–1939 English political writer and journalist Frank Wallace Galton serves as General Secretary of the Fabian Society. Today, according to The Times, he was a liberal at heart rather than a socialist, and thought to be the model for the character of Henry Straker in George Bernard Shaw's play Man and Superman (1903).[5]
1926 Theoretical development G. D. H. Cole's guild socialism evolves, integrating medieval guild principles with modern industrial organization. He sees guilds not just as historical relics but as viable models for organizing contemporary industry and services.[2]
1939–1945 Leadership British Labour Party politician John Parker serves as General Secretary of the Fabian Society.
1940 Debate In the summer, Barbara Wootton, a member of the Federal Union (FU), and D.N. Pritt, an MP expelled from the Labour Party, debate "Socialism and Federation" in the Fabian Quarterly. Wootton argues that federation, particularly an Anglo-Franco-German alliance, is the only safeguard against war, while Pritt emphasizes that socialism is the only force capable of eliminating war, advocating for a federation of socialist states.[6]
1939-46 Leadership English political theorist, economist, and historian G.D.H. Cole serves as Chairman of the Fabian Society.
1945–1950 Period In the immediate post-war years and the first Attlee Government, the Fabian Society continues to explore and shape its ideas on European politics and socialist foreign policy.[6]
1946-47 Leadership Bosworth Monck serves as General Secretary of the Fabian Society.
1946-48 Leadership English political theorist and economist Harold Laski serves as Chairman of the Fabian Society.
1947-49 Leadership Andrew Filson serves as General Secretary of the Fabian Society.
1948-50 Leadership G.D.H Cole serves as Chairman of the Fabian Society.
1949-53 Leadership Donald Chapman serves as General Secretary of the Fabian Society.
1950-53 Leadership John Parker serves as Chairman of the Fabian Society.
1953-54 Leadership British Labour Party politician Austen Albu serves as Chairman of the Fabian Society.
1953-60 Leadership British politician William Rodgers serves as General Secretary of the Fabian Society.
1954-55 Leadership British politician Harold Wilson serves as Chairman of the Fabian Society. Wilson would also serve as Prime Minister of the United Kingdom twice, from October 1964 to June 1970, and again from March 1974 to April 1976.
1956-56 Leadership English socialist politician Margaret Cole serves as Chairman of the Fabian Society.
1956-57 Leadership British Labour Party politician Arthur Skeffington serves as Chairman of the Fabian Society.
1957-58 Leadership Roy Jenkins serves as Chairman of the Fabian Society. He would also serve as President of the European Commission from 1977 to 1981. At various times a Member of Parliament (MP) for the Labour Party, Social Democratic Party (SDP) and the Liberal Democrats, he would be Chancellor of the Exchequer and Home Secretary under the Wilson and Callaghan Governments.
1958-59 Leadership British Labour politician and journalist Eirene White serves as Chairman of the Fabian Society.
1959 Death G. D. H. Cole passes away, leaving behind a legacy that influences debates on democratic socialism, guild socialism, and the role of the state in economic governance.[2]
1959-60 Leadership British adult educationist and Labour Party politician H.D. Hughes serves as Chairman of the Fabian Society.
1960-61 Leadership British Labour politician and pacifist Gavin Henderson, 2nd Baron Faringdon serves as Chairman of the Fabian Society.
1960-63 Leadership Shirley Williams serves as General Secretary of the Fabian Society.
1961-62 Leadership British Labour Party politician and author Anthony Crosland serves as Chairman of the Fabian Society.
1962-63 Leadership British politician and educator Mary Stewart, Baroness Stewart of Alvechurch serves as Chairman of the Fabian Society.
1963-64 Leadership British economist Brian Abel-Smith serves as Chairman of the Fabian Society.
1964-65 Leadership British politician, writer and diarist Tony Benn serves as Chairman of the Fabian Society.
1964-76 Leadership Tom Ponsonby serves as General Secretary of the Fabian Society.
1965-66 Leadership British sociologist Peter Townsend serves as Chairman of the Fabian Society.
1966-67 Leadership William Rodgers serves as Chairman of the Fabian Society.
1967-68 Leadership Arthur Blenkinsop serves as Chairman of the Fabian Society.
1968-69 Leadership British Labour Party politician Peter David Shore, Baron Shore of Stepney serves as Chairman of the Fabian Society.
1969-70 Leadership British economist Thomas Balogh, Baron Balogh serves as Chairman of the Fabian Society.
1970-71 Leadership Jeremy Bray serves as Chairman of the Fabian Society.
1971-72 Leadership English town planner, urbanist and geographer Sir Peter Geoffrey Hall serves as Chairman of the Fabian Society.
1972-73 Leadership British barrister Anthony Lester, Baron Lester of Herne Hill serves as Chairman of the Fabian Society.
1973-74 Leadership British Labour Party politician Frank Judd, Baron Judd serves as Chairman of the Fabian Society.
1974-75 Leadership British health economist Nicholas Bosanquet serves as Chairman of the Fabian Society.
1975-76 Leadership Colin Crouch serves as Chairman of the Fabian Society.
1976-77 Leadership British Labour politician and author Giles Radice serves as Chairman of the Fabian Society.
1976-82 Leadership Dianne Hayter serves as General Secretary of the Fabian Society.
1977-78 Leadership Dick Leonard serves as Chairman of the Fabian Society.
1978-79 Leadership Philip Whitehead serves as Chairman of the Fabian Society.
1979-80 Leadership Peter Archer serves as Chairman of the Fabian Society.
1980 Leadership John Parker becomes President of the Fabian Society.[7]
1980-81 Leadership Shirley Williams serves as Chairman of the Fabian Society.
1981 Apr Leadership British journalist and Labour Party politician David Lipsey, Baron Lipsey serves as Chairman of the Fabian Society.[8]
1982 Leadership David Lipsey is reelected as Chairman of the Fabian Society.[8]
1982-85 Leadership Ian Martin serves as General Secretary of the Fabian Society.
1983 Leadership Stella Meldram serves as Chairman of the Fabian Society.
1984 Leadership Jenny Jeger serves as Chairman of the Fabian Society.
1984-85 Leadership English politician and university administrator Tessa Blackstone, Baroness Blackstone serves as Chairman of the Fabian Society.
1985-86 Leadership British Labour Party politician Andrew McIntosh, Baron McIntosh of Haringey, serves as Chairman of the Fabian Society.
1985-89 Leadership John Willman serves as General Secretary of the Fabian Society.
1986-87 Leadership British academic, journalist and Labour Party politician Austin Mitchell serves as Chairman of the Fabian Society.
1987-88 Leadership Nick Butler serves as Chairman of the Fabian Society.
1988-89 Leadership Bryan Gould serves as Chairman of the Fabian Society. Born in 1939 in New Zealand, he excelled academically, earning scholarships and completing degrees in law at Victoria and Auckland Universities, followed by a post-graduate degree at Oxford. After diplomatic service, he entered British politics, serving as a Labour MP and later joining Thames Television. Gould would return to New Zealand in 1994 as Vice-Chancellor of the University of Waikato and would hold various leadership roles. A prolific author, he would write on economics, politics, and philosophy.[9]
1989-90 Leadership David Bean serves as Chairman of the Fabian Society.
1990-91 Leadership Robin Cook serves as Chairman of the Fabian Society.
1990-1996 Leadership Simon Crine serves as General Secretary of the Fabian Society.
1991-92 Leadership Oonagh McDonald serves as Chairman of the Fabian Society.
1992-93 Leadership Dianne Hayter serves as Chairman of the Fabian Society.
1993-94 Leadership Glenys Thornton (Acting) serves as General Secretary of the Fabian Society.
1993-94 Leadership Ben Pimlott serves as Chairman of the Fabian Society.
1994-95 Leadership Alf Dubs serves as Chairman of the Fabian Society.
1995-96 Leadership Maggie Rice serves as Chairman of the Fabian Society.
1996-97 Leadership Chris Smith serves as Chairman of the Fabian Society.
1996-97 Leadership Stephen Twigg serves as General Secretary of the Fabian Society.
1997-98 Leadership Margaret Hodge serves as Chairman of the Fabian Society.
1998-99 Leadership Tony Wright serves as Chairman of the Fabian Society.
1997-2003 Leadership Michael Jacobs serves as General Secretary of the Fabian Society.
1997 Leadership After Tony Blair’s victory, over 200 Fabians sit in the House of Commons, including many of the cabinet. The society acts as a supportive yet critical friend to the government, offering advice and guidance on policy development without being afraid to point out any shortcomings.[8]
1999-2000 Leadership Calum McDonald serves as Chairman of the Fabian Society.
2000-01 Leadership Gordon Marsden serves as Chairman of the Fabian Society.
2001-02 Leadership Denis MacShane serves as Chairman of the Fabian Society.
2002-03 Leadership Paul Richards serves as Chairman of the Fabian Society.
2003-04 Leadership Stephen Twigg serves as Chairman of the Fabian Society.
2003-11 Leadership Sunder Katwala serves as General Secretary of the Fabian Society.
2004-05 Leadership Eric Joyce serves as Chairman of the Fabian Society.
2005-06 Leadership Seema Malhotra serves as Chairman of the Fabian Society.
2006-07 Leadership Ed Balls serves as Chairman of the Fabian Society.
2007-08 Leadership Anne Campbell serves as Chairman of the Fabian Society.
2008-10 Leadership Sadiq Khan serves as Chairman of the Fabian Society.
2010-12 Leadership Suresh Pushpananthan serves as Chairman of the Fabian Society.
2012-14 Leadership Jessica Asato serves as Chairman of the Fabian Society.
2014-16 Leadership Seema Malhotra serves as Chairman of the Fabian Society.
2016-18 Leadership Kate Green serves as Chairman of the Fabian Society.
2018-20 Leadership Ivana Bartoletti serves as Chairman of the Fabian Society.
2019 (June) Growth The Fabian Society reaches 7,136 individual members.[10]
2020- Leadership Martin Edobor serves as Chairman of the Fabian Society.

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  5. ↑ "Mr. F.W. Galton", The Times, 12 April 1952, p. 8.
  6. ↑ 6.0 6.1 Cite error: Invalid <ref> tag; no text was provided for refs named libalt
  7. ↑ "The Labour MP who served for longer than Tony Benn". BBC News. 19 March 2014. Retrieved 1 October 2022. 
  8. ↑ 8.0 8.1 8.2 Cite error: Invalid <ref> tag; no text was provided for refs named our_history
  9. ↑ "About - Bryan Gould - Books, Articles and Blog by Bryan Gould". bryangould.com. Retrieved 5 March 2024. 
  10. ↑ Annual Report 2019 (PDF) (Report). Fabian Society. 2019. Retrieved 31 August 2022. 
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